Babelman 7:32 Tue Jun 2
Charles Kennedy dead RIP
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Spandex Sidney
8:11 Sat Jun 6
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Same as what my grandad died of at 62.
I agree with A8, he is a genuine loss to politics.
If this is the mortality run rate of Lib Dems then by 2020 they will be The Highlander Party as there will only be one left!
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Bosman Free
3:27 Sat Jun 6
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Oesophageal Varices
Cunt of a thing
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David L
2:39 Sat Jun 6
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These days, whatever the war, even the Argies invading the Falklands again, the LibDems would oppose it. It's in their DNA
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Dapablo
2:24 Sat Jun 6
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Lost his seat, drank a couple of bottles to drown his sorrows and died I'd say.
Terrible shame, terrible illness.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:54 Sat Jun 6
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Sven Roeder 8:44 Sat Jun 6
'Spookily' reminiscent of David Kelly?
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Ridikzappa
11:16 Sat Jun 6
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Died from a haemorrhage*
Murdered*
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Sven Roeder
8:44 Sat Jun 6
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His family have said he died of a major haemorrhage linked to his alcoholism.
Suppose the other alternatives were suicide or Blair finally working through his list of people who opposed to the war and killing them.
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Chatham
2:31 Sat Jun 6
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Can't say I've seen anywhere that he topped himself, though I wouldn't be surprised if he did. He was a young man of 23 when he joined and he didn't know any different. I'm sure they're are some older ones on here who have had a work colleague in the past who retired a sprightly 65 year old and detoriated quickly after that when the routine of their lives changed suddenly.
Plus he was an alcoholic who served in public life, there would have to have been a fairly regimented routine that he would have to try to adhere to. Admittedly there were occasions when he appeared drunk but not totally conclusive that you could nail down conclusively.
The loss of necessity to stick to such a strict regime could have done for him.
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Joke Whole
5:35 Fri Jun 5
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So, he topped himself by slitting his wrists then. Spin works both ways.
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Nicey
7:15 Wed Jun 3
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He is from the highlands. He has been around for a long time. He is no longer with us.
There can be only one.
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Darlo Debs
10:50 Wed Jun 3
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Crassus....didn't want to argue on this thread...best we agree to disagree.
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Far East Hammer
10:26 Wed Jun 3
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Re: the coalition, in 2010 Brown had completely lost the plot (borrow and spend out of a borrow and spend-induced crisis). So yes, national interest, but indeed they should have stood far more firmly to election pledges such as no tuition fees.
Not saying that LibDems a party full exclusively of saints, but I've seen all manner of low-level shit in my days as a Labour Party member/ GMC member in a couple of constituencies. Plus the machinations of a lot of the "New Labour" hangers on (late 80s / early 90s when they termed themselves "DEMOCRATIC socialists") in a bid for power but moreover for their own self-advancement. And I can't believe that it would be much different in the Tories.
But whatever - LibDems are a smaller scale outfit, with ordinarily far fewer chances at "status", perks, and the likes than for those who rise up the larger Tory or Labour machines. So there is still something anthropological about this I think, relative to the "Big Two" parties
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After8
10:17 Wed Jun 3
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I'm choking on my tea after reading that.
The lib debs were principled on the Iraq war, the idea they are all the time isn't the case, you only have to look at them bending over and doing our bidding for five years and then bitching about us to everyone all of the time.
If they were truly interested in representing their constituents they'd have never gone into coalition. Instead as soon as we offered them a few jobs and an referendum on AV they rolled over.
As for not wanting to climb their way to the top this is the par who field Simon Hughes in 1983 on a homophobic ticket against Peter tatchell when Hughes was secretly gay himself.
Mark Oaten stuck out leaflets with his family all of the time and his party made hints and nudges that the conservative wasn't a family man and then it turns out he's paying a rent boy to shit on him.
Then Chris Hune does the same trick of saying " family means everything to me" and plastering his kids and wife all over his leaflets while at the same time he's shagging a lesbian and getting his wife to lie for him on his speeding points.
This is a party which doesn't believe in discrimination but as soon as Ming Campbel gets the leadership they all brief against him that's he told old and forced him out.
They spent five years saying they were " acting in the national interest" and putting the country " first" and then moaned about every decision their own bloody government made.
Their hypocritical santinmous shits of the highest order.
However Kennedy wasn't. He had principles and was a decent bloke and is a loss to British politics.
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Far East Hammer
10:11 Wed Jun 3
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A8 - yes he was spot on there. You can support the youngsters who are serving in the front lines without having to support the war itself.
It's where the troops get up to "mischief" that support for them is called into question. Such mischief is something septic troops seem to have done more of than the Brits in the Middle East.
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Far East Hammer
10:07 Wed Jun 3
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Dunno how much of this is to do with him being a LibDem.
One (fairly prominent) LibDem I was at Uni with used to joke "if I was a political careerist, then what on earth am I doing in the LibDems?"
Whilst I do have issues with a number of LibDem policies/ find quite a few of them quite naïve at times, they do seem to generally have a higher % of (relatively) honest politicians: MPs & councilors who seem to prioritise work for their constituents over slavishly following the party line, as part of their arse-licking path to "the top" (then again, the "top" of the LibDems is somewhat akin to the highest point in Singapore, i.e. not that far above sea level!)
Fuck me - just realised I've come close to actually praising a political party!
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After8
10:04 Wed Jun 3
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Rios he said that whole British troops were in action he would support them, that to me seems fair.
If my son was in Iraq the last thing I'd want is a politician on my telly telling me my sons life was a waste. I'd want them to support my son.
Look,I'm not the liberal democrats biggest fan by a long shot but on the war they did the right thing.
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After8
10:02 Wed Jun 3
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Well that article is bloody useful!
"On 18 March 2003 the Liberal Democrats voted against the motion allowing the government to take Britain to war against Iraq. "
Yes,thats what the article says,
"On 18 March 2003 the Liberal Democrats voted against the motion allowing the government to take Britain to war against Iraq. "
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riosleftsock
10:02 Wed Jun 3
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Whoops, wrong war.
Anyway, he supported the war after voting against it.
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The Kronic
10:00 Wed Jun 3
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He voted against the government motion authorising "all means necessary" for disarming Saddam Hussein.
He also voted for the rebel amendment saying there was no moral case for war against Iraq.
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After8
9:59 Wed Jun 3
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Kronic I've supplied all the data, every time it came up Kennedy opposed the war and he was right to do so.
It's an embarrassment that only 15 MPs from my party used their brains and worked out that bombing a country without a firm UN mandate that didn't have WMDs and wasn't threatening its neighbours and without a reconstruction plan wasn't a terribly good idea. Instead they were sucked into the whole argument over national security.
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